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	<title>Comments on: The NetBook Battlefront &#8230; 1 point for Windows?</title>
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
		<link>http://gerry.ws/2008/10/325/the-netbook-battlefront-1-point-for-windows.html/comment-page-1#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@CD Host, only a very small percentage of people like you and me knows how powerful and customizable Linux is. A good majority of them only knows Windows.

Linux is about choice. If these people wants their Linux to look like Windows in order for them to effectively use it, then don&#039;t you think we should give them the option upfront because chances are they don&#039;t know that it can be done. By not putting it upfront, we are sort of limiting their choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@CD Host, only a very small percentage of people like you and me knows how powerful and customizable Linux is. A good majority of them only knows Windows.</p>
<p>Linux is about choice. If these people wants their Linux to look like Windows in order for them to effectively use it, then don&#8217;t you think we should give them the option upfront because chances are they don&#8217;t know that it can be done. By not putting it upfront, we are sort of limiting their choices.</p>
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		<title>By: CD-Host</title>
		<link>http://gerry.ws/2008/10/325/the-netbook-battlefront-1-point-for-windows.html/comment-page-1#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>CD-Host</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest advantage that Linux offers for Netbooks is the ability to customize the OS to the end user.  Unix programs have been working on a wider range of technologies than Unix so there are less assumptions.  Already all the Netbook OSes have gone far in reconfiguring the experience for screen sizes like: 1024x600.  But that means the experience is different, Linux feels like an OS customized for the hardware. 

Netbooks should serve a limited function than general purpose notebooks and the OS can reflect that.

I&#039;m hoping by 2010 the netbook OSes can configure the experience:

-- word processing and note taking
-- internet station (i.e web use)
-- single custom mobile application (like a sales app)

That is customizable appliance oriented computing.  Windows doesn&#039;t offer anything like that.  

If the system acts and feels like Windows, then what&#039;s the point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest advantage that Linux offers for Netbooks is the ability to customize the OS to the end user.  Unix programs have been working on a wider range of technologies than Unix so there are less assumptions.  Already all the Netbook OSes have gone far in reconfiguring the experience for screen sizes like: 1024&#215;600.  But that means the experience is different, Linux feels like an OS customized for the hardware. </p>
<p>Netbooks should serve a limited function than general purpose notebooks and the OS can reflect that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping by 2010 the netbook OSes can configure the experience:</p>
<p>&#8211; word processing and note taking<br />
&#8211; internet station (i.e web use)<br />
&#8211; single custom mobile application (like a sales app)</p>
<p>That is customizable appliance oriented computing.  Windows doesn&#8217;t offer anything like that.  </p>
<p>If the system acts and feels like Windows, then what&#8217;s the point?</p>
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
		<link>http://gerry.ws/2008/10/325/the-netbook-battlefront-1-point-for-windows.html/comment-page-1#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator>gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chris, very good point. That&#039;s why I am for giving the buyers / customers / clients a choice. For example, I have seen very good &quot;mimics&quot; of Windows, MacOSX in terms of interface. It will really help a prospective Linux user of a netbook to be able to easily &quot;convert into&quot; Linux if they see a familiar look and feel and way of doing things. After all most of these new Linux users are most probably existing Windows users.

Linux, after all, is all about a choice. Why not put the choice upfront because a new Linux user wouldn&#039;t know he/she would be able to change the way Linux looks and feels by tweaking it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chris, very good point. That&#8217;s why I am for giving the buyers / customers / clients a choice. For example, I have seen very good &#8220;mimics&#8221; of Windows, MacOSX in terms of interface. It will really help a prospective Linux user of a netbook to be able to easily &#8220;convert into&#8221; Linux if they see a familiar look and feel and way of doing things. After all most of these new Linux users are most probably existing Windows users.</p>
<p>Linux, after all, is all about a choice. Why not put the choice upfront because a new Linux user wouldn&#8217;t know he/she would be able to change the way Linux looks and feels by tweaking it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lees</title>
		<link>http://gerry.ws/2008/10/325/the-netbook-battlefront-1-point-for-windows.html/comment-page-1#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The manufacturer wouldn&#039;t know about how many returns are done for purchasers changing their mind, as the units would just go back into the retailer&#039;s stock. That&#039;s why Asus says the return rate is the same for Windows and Linux, because Asus only sees the returns for faulty hardware.

Part of the problem with the Linux netbooks is that the distributions used on them have been customized by Linux amateurs to be &quot;easy-to-use&quot;, but in fact they become very difficult to work with if you want to do something that the distribution hasn&#039;t been designed for. For example, if you want to mount a Windows share in Linpus Lite (Acer Aspire One), you need to drop to the command-line because Acer didn&#039;t include Thunar&#039;s network browser. And seriously, you have to edit a plain text file in order to add new items to the launcher!

I got frustrated at the limitations very quickly and installed Ubuntu. People who&#039;ve never used Linux before would (and do) believe that it&#039;s a problem with Linux in general, and either install their favourite obsolete operating system or exchange it for a machine with a 7-year-old operating system preinstalled.

Of course, the problem should go away if vendors install Ubuntu netbook remix and don&#039;t fiddle with it too much. It really is the best netbook interface and operating system, so much so that I&#039;m thinking of putting the interface onto my desktop computer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The manufacturer wouldn&#8217;t know about how many returns are done for purchasers changing their mind, as the units would just go back into the retailer&#8217;s stock. That&#8217;s why Asus says the return rate is the same for Windows and Linux, because Asus only sees the returns for faulty hardware.</p>
<p>Part of the problem with the Linux netbooks is that the distributions used on them have been customized by Linux amateurs to be &#8220;easy-to-use&#8221;, but in fact they become very difficult to work with if you want to do something that the distribution hasn&#8217;t been designed for. For example, if you want to mount a Windows share in Linpus Lite (Acer Aspire One), you need to drop to the command-line because Acer didn&#8217;t include Thunar&#8217;s network browser. And seriously, you have to edit a plain text file in order to add new items to the launcher!</p>
<p>I got frustrated at the limitations very quickly and installed Ubuntu. People who&#8217;ve never used Linux before would (and do) believe that it&#8217;s a problem with Linux in general, and either install their favourite obsolete operating system or exchange it for a machine with a 7-year-old operating system preinstalled.</p>
<p>Of course, the problem should go away if vendors install Ubuntu netbook remix and don&#8217;t fiddle with it too much. It really is the best netbook interface and operating system, so much so that I&#8217;m thinking of putting the interface onto my desktop computer!</p>
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		<title>By: Netbooks and Ignorance &#124; schwuk.com</title>
		<link>http://gerry.ws/2008/10/325/the-netbook-battlefront-1-point-for-windows.html/comment-page-1#comment-337</link>
		<dc:creator>Netbooks and Ignorance &#124; schwuk.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] these types of devices Linux will more than meet their requirements, but it seems like we have a ways to go on convincing people of [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] these types of devices Linux will more than meet their requirements, but it seems like we have a ways to go on convincing people of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RE: The NetBook Battlefront &#124; AI NO TENSHi</title>
		<link>http://gerry.ws/2008/10/325/the-netbook-battlefront-1-point-for-windows.html/comment-page-1#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>RE: The NetBook Battlefront &#124; AI NO TENSHi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ilagan wrote an interesting post about netbooks the other day saying that it would be the right approach to offer an alternative [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ilagan wrote an interesting post about netbooks the other day saying that it would be the right approach to offer an alternative [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fabian Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://gerry.ws/2008/10/325/the-netbook-battlefront-1-point-for-windows.html/comment-page-1#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found this site to be useful when introducing people to Linux:
http://www.getgnulinux.org

I can&#039;t agree with some of the &quot;anti-Microsoft&quot; attitude but it gets the message accross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found this site to be useful when introducing people to Linux:<br />
<a href="http://www.getgnulinux.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.getgnulinux.org</a></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t agree with some of the &#8220;anti-Microsoft&#8221; attitude but it gets the message accross.</p>
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		<title>By: John Gill</title>
		<link>http://gerry.ws/2008/10/325/the-netbook-battlefront-1-point-for-windows.html/comment-page-1#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>John Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Jerry Shen, CEO of ASUS the return rates for EEE pc&#039;s are not that different for Windows and Linux models:


http://blog.laptopmag.com/asus-ceo-reveals-eee-pc-sales-numbers-plans-for-touch-eee-pcs-and-more-eee-family-products

I think the most significant point you make is about MS marketing dollars -- and this story about return rates might well have more to do with that.

There is no doubt that netbooks gave MS a fright -- they are battling hard to contain the damage.

I know several EEE PC users, former windows users who are more than happy with their linux based EEE pc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Jerry Shen, CEO of ASUS the return rates for EEE pc&#8217;s are not that different for Windows and Linux models:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.laptopmag.com/asus-ceo-reveals-eee-pc-sales-numbers-plans-for-touch-eee-pcs-and-more-eee-family-products" rel="nofollow">http://blog.laptopmag.com/asus-ceo-reveals-eee-pc-sales-numbers-plans-for-touch-eee-pcs-and-more-eee-family-products</a></p>
<p>I think the most significant point you make is about MS marketing dollars &#8212; and this story about return rates might well have more to do with that.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that netbooks gave MS a fright &#8212; they are battling hard to contain the damage.</p>
<p>I know several EEE PC users, former windows users who are more than happy with their linux based EEE pc.</p>
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